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  Need your help - Shunning essay

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  i wrote this one the other thread, but maybe it gets lost in it.. i'm considering adding one section to my essay on the subject of shunning.

  perhaps it may evolve into a book.

  i think it would add considerable weight to it if i would include two or three real life stories of people who suffered shunning.

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  Bump it again. This is an important work of revealing the Truth about the JWBorg Cult which should be documented extensively.
  
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  Countering JW shunning: How a social psychologist's work from 50 yrs ago points to a new approach

  by adamah in

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  2. beliefs

  i've written a blog article on the topic of jw practice of shunning, inspired by a few recent threads on jwn where the results of social psychologist stanley milgram's work on authority figures came into the discussion:.

  http://awgue.weebly.com/countering-jw-shunning-how-the-implications-of-stanley-milgrams-work-may-suggest-using-a-different-approach.html.

  as usual, the article will be available for reading there, but please discuss over here in this thread.. .

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  Really excellent discussion!
  

  It seems that the WTBorg Cult Inc. adopted "Disfellowshiping" with shunning as an essential component of it back in 1952.

  Just looked at this video today. An Orthodox Rabbi's son decided to leave Judah-ism and was "shunned" in a manner very similar to what the JWBorg are required to exercise. Perhaps a little less violent but otherwise strikingly similar in both actions and terminology. One must wonder, have the practices of Judah-ism been incorporated into WTBorg Cult Inc. policy and dogma?
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  Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

  however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

  (for example, those destroyed in the flood.

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  The WTBorg Cult Inc. has made their "god" into some sort of "Cosmic Killjoy."

  The term "Cosmic Killjoy" is not mine but one used by Hank Hanegraaff The Bible Answer Man.

  It fits with what the brand of Troof which the Watchtower Society sells. Biblically Unsound with undue emphasis on Fear.
  
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  1 John 5:13-20 Jesus is the true God?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one of the main things i am trying to wrap my head around after waking up to the nonsense of jw.org is the deity of christ.. jws go out of their way to ignore him, it seems to me.

  they make him out to be an angel or something.

  yet, if one simply reads the scriptures, you get an entirely different picture.. doing some bible reading this morning i accidentally (long story) read the latter part of 1 john 5 and it's good stuff.. after reading it in the niv i read it in nwt and it is still pretty amazing even in that abomination of a translation.. it says.... 13 i write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the son of god.

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  1 John 5:13-20 Jesus is the true God?

  Is the question asking whether he is the Father and the Son? Or that the Son is perhaps really the Father?

  There are many things that we do not yet know about the Heavenly Family but one day we shall. In the meantime we wonder about the several hypotheses which have been advanced regarding the Nature of God.

  A Father who has a Son like Himself sounds good to me.
  
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  Watchtower Ironically Warns It's Memeber About "Propaganda" - Watchtower July 2017

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-july-2017/propaganda-winning-battle-for-your-mind/.

  in what is just the height of irony, watchtower warns us about propaganda, and accepting everything we hear/read.

  yes, we should ignore those that try to stop us thinking critically as this watchtower article will now teach us.

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  Yep, agreed. It is definitely a desperation move.

  Really great collective analysis! You've all nailed it!
  
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  JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

  unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

  many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

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  Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

  however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

  (for example, those destroyed in the flood.

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  In Truth, the Bible does tell us who will be resurrected. All will be resurrected.

  Not a single one will be forgotten. The Son of Man came to save the Whole World.

  The period of Judgment and the Lake of Fire will refine all of us - even the very "worst."
  

  We do not know yet the details on how all who've suffered great injustice will be compensated or how those who've done grievous acts of murder and mayhem will be rehabilitated, but it will be done.
  
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  X/LDS vs X/JW!!!Who is more twisted and bitter.

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  since leaving the jws i have become fascinated by the lds church, because of the similarities both organisations have.

  in reading x-mo forums i get the impression that they tend to be not as bitter and as twisted as xjw.

  this is surprising as i think the lds is a bigger con than the jws.

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  My experience has been that Mormons are very friendly and associate freely with non-Mormons. I knew of many Mormons in the Navy where they tend to gravitate to the highly technical ratings/specialties or are commissioned officers with college education. Military service to the Mormons is quite acceptable as are government jobs/positions including politics without limitation.

  I knew several x-Jws in the Navy and they, by comparison, were quite screwed up on account of the Cult Mind Control conditioning. They were all of the opinion that they'd made the wrong choice in trying to escape the Cult through Naval Service and were looking for a way out of the Navy to return to the Cult. Most of them tried to associate with witness Congregations whenever we were in a port that had any. They seemed to be welcomed to the activities and weren't shunned by the witnesses abroad.
  

  I knew of none (x-Jws that is) who, like myself, were pleased to be out of the Cult and intending to make the Navy a career. Of course I didn't advertise the fact that I was an xJw since I really had no plans to ever rejoin the Cult.
  

  While I was attending language school in Arlington, Virginia and living in Falls Church, Virginia, we were neighbors with a Mormon family and we became very close. My wife and I agreed to their familiarization presentation in our home (sort of a recruiting effort) but there was never any pressure exerted upon us to join them. We were close friends the entire time I was stationed there.

  The Mormons do not consume alcohol or caffeinated beverages and make great effort to eat natural and nutritious foods. I was truly impressed with their cleanliness and their very healthy appearances.
  
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  "Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

  by silentbuddha in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

  whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

  in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

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  Quote from Silent Buddha:

  Buddhism is an intriguing faith... so much so that even in my distaste for religion have a profound respect for the belief system.

  I agree. SGI Buddhism doesn't consider itself to be a religion but rather a philosophy of life. I see much there that makes sense. They do strive to be good people with considerably more flexibility than Christendom would be comfortable with. I support my wife in her activities since she has devoted nearly her entire life to the group, but I could never join them. The chanting to their "object of worship" doesn't appeal to me. Quite a few military have joined the group both enlisted and commissioned. Some are my good friends.
  
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  "Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

  by silentbuddha in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

  whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

  in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

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  Woooops - a senior moment struck again! Was reading two topics and got confused:

  Meant to say Silent Buddha may be on to something!

  My wife is from Japan and is Soka Gakkai Buddhist.